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Post by Dread on May 7, 2006 19:26:35 GMT -5
Umm, I've been rather paranoid as of late. Most of what I've been hearing is that only prot. specced warriors are worth a damn in end-game instances and whatnot. Is it really that serious that I can't stay DPS? (I mean I am not switching anyways, but I'd like to be able to help with some of the raids rather than just PVPing)
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Post by Malthorn on May 7, 2006 21:30:49 GMT -5
Its BS. You only need a few full prot Warriors, you can have some DPS ones.
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Post by WolfsRainer on May 7, 2006 22:17:08 GMT -5
Its BS. You only need a few full prot Warriors, you can have some DPS ones. See Dendorf.
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Post by Mcguirk on May 8, 2006 8:07:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I gave Cherrycoke a lot of shit way back when about not being prot at 60, and that (at least partialy) pressured him to go prot. Unfortunately, I didn't know wtf I was talkin about, even though I thought I did.
Now, Cherry has become one HELL of a tank, no question about it. But, a DPS warrior can bring a lot to the table as well. It does help if you know how to actually tank, so you can when needed, but you don't have to go nuts with prot man.
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Post by Malthorn on May 8, 2006 8:36:37 GMT -5
you will definatly need to know how to tank, so when you need to, which you will, your not like "Some1 remind me what sunder is" or something stupid....
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Post by Mcguirk on May 8, 2006 8:56:31 GMT -5
I've seen plenty of warriors who have no idea what it means to tank. Especially in the 5/ 10 man instances. A lot of warriors pick ONE target and just hang on to it. Nevermind that there are two other mobs beating on your priest, you've got your target and you aren't moving!! Yeah, I hate those warriors. I end up having to try to stun lock one of the mobs, assuming they are stunnable, and that can only last so long, and during this time, I become a mana sink for the healers, so they draw more aggro. . yeah.
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Post by Mcguirk on May 8, 2006 8:56:48 GMT -5
By the way, Dread, love the dancing Hobbes, lol.
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Prune/Jak
Legacy of the Void Officer
60 Warrior / 60 Rogue
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Post by Prune/Jak on May 8, 2006 13:01:19 GMT -5
Dread, I guess I'll be the first Warrior to respond to your question. A lot of groups (PUGs) only want to take prot specced warriors with them. If they ask, don't lie (it'll be obvious when Deep Wounds shows up as a DoT), but ask them to give you a chance anyway. A good tank doesn't NEED the Prot talents, they just make the job easier. Prune tanked for a 10-man LBRS run back in the day before he was Prot specced and did fine. After the Prot spec, I found it was easier to hold aggro, and it was very nice to have taunt on such a short cooldown. The simple matter of fact is: A Prot spec will make a good tank better, and a bad tank will still suck. Most of tanking is understanding aggro control and managing rage/aggro efficiency. All Prot does is give you skills that make managing that rage/aggro balance easier. It's also a bit easier on your healers because of +armor and +def from talents. I will offer you this warning: When Prune was specced to Prot, I found it extremely frustrating to solo with him, so I leveled Jakani up instead. Now I play Jakani far more than Prune because she's easier to solo with. If you don't have an alt that you really want to level up, be sure you're comfortable with VERY slow killing when running solo. Another option is speccing Arms/Prot. You can get a pretty solid Hybrid if you talent right. I put together this example.--Prune-MF'ing-Tracy
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Post by a rotten guest on May 11, 2006 12:19:31 GMT -5
/agree tanked in strat live a couple of nights ago and noticed how much more of an effort it was to tank as much as i hate it, when im done with pvp, i think i will go back to prot spec as i am one of the 2 real mt's of my guild looking at this as a build candidate: www.wowhead.com/talent/?TV0xZZEitseMMoo
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Post by The Zrogfather on May 11, 2006 12:23:32 GMT -5
Wow Jak... I like that spec a LOT. I would have taken out Improved Charge and Anger Management (which are solo-only abilities), and put in 3 more points in Deflection (parry is VERY nice), or either 3/5 Anticipation (less chance to get critted) or 3/3 Revenge (I love stuns). The only thing that makes that spec a bit weak for raiding is lack of Shield Slam, which is the ultimate fast-aggro generation talent when you're being beaten on by a raid boss and your rage is virtually unlimited. In any other instance, including UBRS, you won't miss Shield Slam, and you'll be FAR better for soloing. In answer to Dread's question... I think the decision to spec prot usually comes with the "I'm going to become a good tank" mindset... because you really can't do much else. I seem to remember that Cherry wasn't the best tank before he went Prot, and now I'm quite impressed by his tanking abilities. There ARE groups that look for Prot tanks, because they ARE tougher, and Improved Taunt, plus 5/5 in Defiance, Toughness and Deflection are nice things for your tank to have. If you were going "Full Prot", I wouldn't put much more in Prot than this 10/0/41 buildI am still using that build, but I feel very useless in PVP and for Dmg, so I'm considering something else, possibly something like this (12/5/34): HigherDPSProt
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Post by purlop2 on May 11, 2006 12:25:22 GMT -5
Shield Wall... Isn't that a talet that blocks everything (or at least a ton of damge) being tossed at you? I recall Cherry telling me it was pivoting for AQ.
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Post by The Zrogfather on May 11, 2006 12:26:32 GMT -5
Rottenheart,
I've never really thought about using Iron Will over Improved 1h weapons, but I guess you have a point that it still makes you tougher as a tank, and you don't need DPS to build aggro. I guess I'm moving further AWAY from the idea of a "pure-tank" spec, just because it's so annoying to do anything else with.
I REALLY like shield bash to have Silence, though. Great tool, as is Concussion blow (5 sec stun).
Zrog
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Post by The Zrogfather on May 11, 2006 12:31:24 GMT -5
Shield Wall is a great ability, but with a 30-min cooldown, I don't really consider it, or talents that improve it, anything more than a nice-to-have.
For reference, Shield Wall stops 75% of ALL damage (including magic damage which tanks normally take full damage from) for 10 secs (15 secs with full 2/2 talent).
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Post by purlop2 on May 11, 2006 12:37:36 GMT -5
Yea, dats the one. He mentioned having it for the AQ20 boss mob that explodes after the big mana build up. Might not be a boss...it's that mob we all fought on AQ opening night and laughed our asses off when it CrUsHeD us with the AoE. /grin
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Post by a rotten guest on May 11, 2006 15:57:52 GMT -5
no one cares if a dps toon gets stunned...your tank though...
it was especially annoying when tanking in mc...i created a macro to say: "im stunned" just so that people dont think im lagging or something
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