Purlop
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60 Rogue
Posts: 201
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Post by Purlop on Feb 21, 2006 13:22:15 GMT -5
My end game build will be a 31-8-12 SF build as follows...
Assassination Talents - 31 point(s)
Improved Eviscerate 3/3
Remorseless Attacks 3/5
Malice 5/5
Ruthlessness 3/3
Improved Slice and Dice 2/3
Relentless Strikes 1/1
Lethality 5/5
Improved Kidney Shot 2/3
Cold Blood 1/1
Seal Fate 5/5
Vigor 1/1
Combat Talents - 8 point(s)
Improved Gouge rank 3/3
Improved Sinister Strike rank 2/2
Improved Backstab rank 3/3
Subtlety Talents - 12 point(s)
Master of Deception rank 5/5
Opportunity rank 5/5
Improved Ambush rank 2/3
There is a lot of back and forth on the WoW forums about having vigor vs the 3/3 ambush. Quite honestly, I find ambush to be very disapointing. I BS tons more and, for pve at least, find I can crank off two BS, then have to pause for an evis as a kill shot if the 2 BS dont do it.
for that reason, I think the 10 extra energy would be used a lot more by me vs ambushing.
Only thing.... I think the +10 isnt enough to get me that faster evis since regen is 20/ tick...
What are the vets thoughts on vigor vs ambush 3 since I do not have the NS gear for the additional +10 energy.
(of note, its a slam dunk imo to get vigor once I get the NS gear for the additional +10 for 120 total).
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Post by Mcguirk on Feb 21, 2006 13:43:45 GMT -5
4/8 pieces of NS here, just one more for the bonus. I don't know, I haven't checked out too many other builds in some time, as it will cost me 30g to respec at this point, and I still have an epic mount to get (trying to farm that cash up lately). I think Jakani is doing a SF build, and from what I hear he really enjoys it.
Here's my thing. . I really like the utility I get out of my subtlety talents. I like improved sap a LOT, and I don't know how I'd get by without preperation. .I freaking love that skill. Imp CS isn't necessary, but it is nice, imo. I don't like the rogue high level skills enough to go for any of them.
As for Vigor. . here's the problem with it. Imo, it only really helps on the opener. After that, you are burning your energy fast in almost any fight, and how often do you even get back to 100 energy mid fight as it is? So what does that extra energy buy you? Even if you gouge and wait it out to regen, I don't know about you, but I am lucky to get back to 100 before hitting my backstab.
I do see your point on imp ambush, though it is quite useful in pvp for hitting the squishies. I do enjoy that, hehe. Against a lot of mages, its a 2 shot kill, ambush + bs.
That's my deal, I want to be good at everything, so I'm not great at anything. I want to do well in MC, be useful for CC and other things in 5/10/15 man runs, I want to be good at PvP, grinding, etc. I think my 17/10/24 build does that rather well. I don't do the MOST damage, but then, if I did much more then I do, I'd have aggro management issues. I can't pvp as well as some, but I can hold my own against a lot. All told, I like my build a lot. I'll post it when I get home maybe, cause I just can't think of it off the top of my head, hehe.
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Purlop
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60 Rogue
Posts: 201
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Post by Purlop on Feb 21, 2006 14:03:04 GMT -5
Ive been having an enormous amount of success grinding with this build. The opening burst is nice and the closing burst is ego building. At the end of a fight, I close with this routine...
Regen to 80-90 energy towards the 'end' of the fight
KS with at least 3 CBs just before the final 20 energy tick
BS twice as a result of well timed energy regen.
If needed...pause for 1 energy tick to get evis energy and plant the evis kill shot.
The having that extra 10 that has me wondering if its gonna work pre-5th NS piece. :/
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Prune/Jak
Legacy of the Void Officer 
60 Warrior / 60 Rogue
Posts: 368
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Post by Prune/Jak on Feb 23, 2006 2:44:49 GMT -5
Jak has a Seal Fate/Combat build instead of the classic Seal Fate 31/8/12. I love the fast combo-point generation, and I find myself much more useful in group PvP due to hard-hitting Backstabs and quick Eviscerates. I do miss the subtlety talents that offer some versatility, such as Imp Sap and Prep. But the damage increase I'm seeing is worth the sacrifice to me. What's nice abou speccing into combat is that I'm not putting all my eggs in the Backstab basket. I can still rely on the combat skills to allow my swords to do damage when I want them too, as well as increasing my white hit damage.
Here's my spec:
Assassination (30)
Imp Evis 3/3
Malice 5/5
Ruthless Attacks 3/3
Relentless Strikes 1/1
Imp SnD 3/3
Lethality 5/5
Imp Instant Poison 4/5
Cold Blood 1/1
Seal Fate 5/5
Combat (21)
Imp SS 2/2
Imp Gouge 3/3
Imp BS 3/3
Deflection 5/5
Riposte 1/1
Precision 4/5
Imp Kick 2/2
Blade Flurry 1/1
I use SnD a lot now, I find that it increases my damage potential enormously. Basically get 1 point, SnD, then SS or BS to more points and SnD whenever it wears off. Imp Kick and Riposte are great skills for PvP, as well.
I find myself stronger in the areas of PvP, grinding, and damage dealing in larger raids. I lose the amazing skill Prep as well as the usefulness of Imp Sap in trade. But I find that most of my time with Jak is spent soloing anyhow, and my damage in 5-mans makes up for part of my lack of utility (though admitedly not entirely).
--Jakani
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Post by Mcguirk on Feb 24, 2006 16:45:51 GMT -5
As promised, here's how I roll:
Assassination Talents - 17 point(s)
Improved Eviscerate - rank 3/3
Malice - rank 5/5
Ruthlessness - rank 3/3
Relentless Strikes - rank 1/1
Lethality - rank 5/5
Combat Talents - 10 point(s)
Improved Gouge - rank 3/3
Improved Sinister Strike - rank 2/2
Improved Backstab - rank 3/3
Precision- rank 2/5
Subtlety Talents - 24 point(s)
Master of Deception - rank 5/5
Opportunity - rank 5/5
Initiative - rank 5/5
Improved Ambush - rank 3/3
Improved Sap - rank 3/3
Preparation - rank 1/1
Improved Cheap Shot - rank 2/2
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Purlop
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60 Rogue
Posts: 201
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Post by Purlop on Feb 24, 2006 17:19:49 GMT -5
Hmmm... Welp, ya got me curious on builds again, that's for sure. I plugged your build into the talet calc on the WoW site to look it over and noted the true benefit of Initiative which never fully sunk in before. AB or CS, which is used the most, gets a high chance for another CB. Nice. Premed and Prep are what really got me thinking.... Opening with a CS, one could net 4 CBs, toss in a BS, then a heavy hitting evis would follow. Mmmm. Reset the cool downs, toss in a vanish...repeat the luvin. Got me thinking. Ya got me thinking...  |
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